Latest Demo

tyreehawk
Level 1
5 months ago (edited)

First let me say as a kickstarter member, I understand that this is only a demo. However, I am very concerned with the attention to detail in everything that has been done since the kickstarter. I have a real problem with a game company asking the players to decide the weapons and lore of the game. That is the job of the game designers! The only things the players should be voting on is the look of armor, etc. Things that don't matter. The Demo characters look like white people and dead white people. This is 2020 all races should be represented. The character modeling looks like it was created by a high school student. You did not have to release the demo at this time. Since you chose to, you should have done a much better job. I am truly concerned about the final game.


Tyrone Hammond

Roguehandle
Level 3
Steam Link Newsletter Link
5 months ago

In character creation you can change the color of the skin of the characters. Just cant play your created characters in the demo. 

Cool idea to have fans give ideas. A lot of imaginative people out there.

The character faces seem more plastic and angular than the first demo. The elf's face in the demo looks worse in my opinion.

I also wish you could zoom in a little more.

Other than that, the game plays and looks smooth. :)


5 months ago

I have to admit that the characters do look worse than the first demo, the camera and gameplay is much better.

Darkholy
Level 4
5 months ago (edited)

Even ignoring the fact that you can choose your skin tone when creating your characters, I always found it funny (hilarious actually) that some people will call out for 'representing' in a fantasy game. It's not Earth my man, the same rules need not apply. Also how is a game with elfs, halflings ect ect not divers enough?

Oh yea, but I do agree, the character models seem to have been hit with the ugly stick. I hope that changes because man... rough.

Baraz
Level 10
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5 months ago (edited)

This is 2020 all races should be represented.

Speaking of... There is actually only one single Human race alive known currently in real life (Homo Sapiens), among the past Human races  (Homo habilis, Homo erectus, etc.) and species or genus (Australopithecus, etc.).  The slight differences in appearance, namely skin color, are called phenotypes (morphologies), like Asian, African, etc.  The real differences are cultural. 

Referring to races among Humans as if such a thing existed now is an error from a scientific point of view.  From a non-racist point of view, it is better to stop considering that there is more than one Human race.  

It is believed (i.e. scientific hypothesis) that there may have been two or three human races that "cohabited" in the same time periods over 100,000 years ago. 

nb : that said, yes, it is an interesting idea to add some non-caucasian phenotypes to some of the in-game races (Elf, etc. Dwarves already look different facially).  Beyond skin color I mean.

EDIT : just noticed that the Humans do have Asian-like and African-like phenotypes.  Other comments here are good suggestions in my opinion.


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MasterServo
Level 1
Kickstarter Backer
5 months ago (edited)

Even ignoring the fact that you can choose your skin tone when creating your characters, I always found it funny (hilarious actually) that some people will call out for 'representing' in a fantasy game. It's not Earth my man, the same rules need not apply. Also how is a game with elfs, halflings ect ect not divers enough?

If a game has a character creator, then you as the creator, should be able to make your character in your own image or whatever skin color you want them to have. Having only humans with the option to be dark skinned is stupid to me. Maybe your ideal fantasy world is full of different shades of white people, but others obviously aren't.

Also most of the faces are ugly as sin. I do hope they change that.

tyreehawk
Level 1
5 months ago

I believe that anyone who buys this game should be able to create a character that looks like them. That's the point of playing RPGs. I don't believe a games weapon and armor should be based on a popularity poll. I am sorry if you disagree.


Tyrone Hammond

Roguehandle
Level 3
Steam Link Newsletter Link
5 months ago

Indeed. Popular opinion on weapons and armor should be a tool to be used, not a driving force. I would love to see my paladin wielding a Claymore again. I guess a greatsword would be close enough.

Have to check the elves and their skin tone in the character creator. Maybe 'Dark" elves will be a DLC? :)

Darkholy
Level 4
5 months ago

Even ignoring the fact that you can choose your skin tone when creating your characters, I always found it funny (hilarious actually) that some people will call out for 'representing' in a fantasy game. It's not Earth my man, the same rules need not apply. Also how is a game with elfs, halflings ect ect not divers enough?

If a game has a character creator, then you as the creator, should be able to make your character in your own image or whatever skin color you want them to have. Having only humans with the option to be dark skinned is stupid to me. Maybe your ideal fantasy world is full of different shades of white people, but others obviously aren't.

Also most of the faces are ugly as sin. I do hope they change that.


Yea, see this is DnD, and a different skin colour often means a different 'race', like take elves for example: you want 'black' elves? Well sorry to break it to ya bud, but those are called Drow, live in the Underdark, are sensitive to daylight and are all pretty much universally evil.

Funny how established fantasy worlds work like that, eh?


Again, agree on the ugly part.

Kepo
Visitor
5 months ago (edited)

Even ignoring the fact that you can choose your skin tone when creating your characters, I always found it funny (hilarious actually) that some people will call out for 'representing' in a fantasy game. It's not Earth my man, the same rules need not apply. Also how is a game with elfs, halflings ect ect not divers enough?

If a game has a character creator, then you as the creator, should be able to make your character in your own image or whatever skin color you want them to have. Having only humans with the option to be dark skinned is stupid to me. Maybe your ideal fantasy world is full of different shades of white people, but others obviously aren't.

Also most of the faces are ugly as sin. I do hope they change that.


Yea, see this is DnD, and a different skin colour often means a different 'race', like take elves for example: you want 'black' elves? Well sorry to break it to ya bud, but those are called Drow, live in the Underdark, are sensitive to daylight and are all pretty much universally evil.

Funny how established fantasy worlds work like that, eh?


Again, agree on the ugly part.


Not really at all. D&D gives you a ruleset and how to play the game. But the creators always state that this is your world to alter as you see fit to your campaign or world. Solasta is not the Sword Coast and therefor Drow do not have to be dark skinned if they don't want them to be. For example Guildmasters Guide to Ravnica (amazing world) has no word for Drow they are called Devkarin:

"Dark Elves. The word "drow" isn't used on Ravnica,but the Devkarin elves are sometimes called the elves of shadow. They are closely connected to the Golgari Swarm, and because they generally live underground, they share other dark elves' sensitivity to sunlight. Unlike the drow of other worlds, their coloration is much the same as that of wood elves, though their hair is usually dark brown or black".

So yes they can change the races in this game as they see fit. 


Darkholy
Level 4
5 months ago

I'll agree with you if you help me write a 'strongly worded e-mail' to Blizzard, that I can't make a white (or black for that matter) Orc in WoW.


*sigh* Everything needs to be available in every colour and hue of the rainbow this days, eh? There is no uniqueness left in this day and age... sad days.

MasterServo
Level 1
Kickstarter Backer
5 months ago (edited)

I'll agree with you if you help me write a 'strongly worded e-mail' to Blizzard, that I can't make a white (or black for that matter) Orc in WoW.


*sigh* Everything needs to be available in every colour and hue of the rainbow this days, eh? There is no uniqueness left in this day and age... sad days.

Since you want to straw man the point of the post since elves and orcs were not specifically mentioned, lets leave elves as "fair skinned" like in Tolkien lore (and who would want a normal non-green skinned orc anyways...) what lore or description in any fantasy setting says halflings have to be white, or half elves, or dwarves for that matter? I'll wait.

Darkholy
Level 4
5 months ago

Black dwarves are called Duregar, and also live in the Underdark. There is no 'strawman'.

I guess you just want to turn a fantasy world full of unique races and so on into a 'beige blob', where everyone is anything, and anything can be anyone.

I'm done with this. 

Sorry, busy asking George Lucas why there aren't any black Wookies, or white Rodians.

Roguehandle
Level 3
Steam Link Newsletter Link
5 months ago

Anyway....so most of us....who are fans of this game agree the character faces are ugly. We have something in common then. I know, yall hate that. :)

I really don't like depressing reality on my fantasy games. :)


MasterServo
Level 1
Kickstarter Backer
5 months ago

Black dwarves are called Duregar, and also live in the Underdark. There is no 'strawman'.

First of all I said where in lore does it say does it say that dwarves, half elves, or halflings have to be white. Second of all Duregars actually have ashen grey skin and generally have white hair according to D&D 5e lore. So they aren't black, but continue to strawman. Have fun talking to George Lucas about things expressly written in his lore.

PS Wookies do have brown, white, black, or grey fur according to the Star Wars lore, so try again. :)


Anyway....so most of us....who are fans of this game agree the character faces are ugly. We have something in common then. I know, yall hate that. :)

And yea the character faces are ugly and we can all agree on that.

Darkholy
Level 4
5 months ago (edited)

 Have fun talking to George Lucas about things expressly written in his lore.

But not to Gary Gygax and Dave Arneson about their lore, right?

Yea.. strawman.